It’s not uncommon, or even bad, to disagree with people and have opposing views but increasingly we’re seeing these disparities fiercely hashed out across multiple mediums leading to alienation, separatism and a deepening acceptance of cancel culture.

If we continue down this path, where will society end up? Is there a better way to disagree?

Filmmaker and founder of See Saw Films Emile Sherman and clinical psychologist Dr Lloyd Vogelman have been exploring the art of healthy debate on their podcast The Principle of Charity.

Each episode brings together two experts from opposing sides of hot-button topics like euthanasia, immigration and cultural appropriation, challenging them to highlight the best of their opponents perspective and inject generosity and curiosity into how they explore difficult conversations.

“The ‘principle of charity’ is a philosophical, scientific principle that suggests that we should understand another person’s argument before we instinctively reject it,” Lloyd told Hope 103.2.

“It tells us to seek the truth, not to win the fight.

“There’s nothing wrong with rejecting [someone else’s argument] as long as you understand the perspective from which they’re coming.

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“Once people don’t feel understood, we tend to move toward a much more conflictual place and a more polarised world.

“There’s an absolute beauty in finding out you can be wrong.”

Recently launching its second season, The Principle of Charity has had a great variety of guests including journalist and presenter Andrew Denton, entertainer Tim Minchin and Dr Katrina Sifferd, Professor and Chair of Philosophy at Chicago’s Elmurst University.

During the production of the series, Lloyd’s shifted his own approach to debate: “I inevitably have my own point of view, and every time [a lot] of my views I felt I had to question”.

“I thought, ‘Maybe they’re not so right’,” he said.

“I could start to understand [opposing] views much more subtly with a greater sense of nuance rather than ‘I just can’t believe [they’re] saying that’.”

Listen to Lloyd Vogelman’s full interview with Laura Bennett in the player above.


Laura Bennett

Laura Bennett

Laura hosts Hope Afternoons on Hope 103.2, sharing uplifting music, engaging interviews and her insights as a reviewer and author. She is also the host of the UNDISTRACTED podcast where she explores the lives and expertise of her guests in order to learn how to become better at building our lives with intention, and live in the ways of Jesus.

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